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Saɱyutta Nikāya:
IV. Saḷāyatana Vagga
36: Vedanā Saɱyutta
III. Aṭṭhasata-Pariyāya Vagga

Sutta 21

Moḷiyasīvaka Suttaɱ

To Sivaka

Translated from the Pali by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.
Provenance, terms and conditons

 


 

Translator's note

Some people have interpreted this sutta as stating that there are many experiences that cannot be explained by the principle of kamma. A casual glance of the alternative factors here — drawn from the various causes for pain that were recognized in the medical treatises of his time — would seem to support this conclusion. However, if we compare this list with his definition of old kamma in SN XXV.145, we see that many of the alternative causes are actually the result of past actions. Those that aren't are the result of new kamma. For instance, MN 101 counts asceticism — which produces pain in the immediate present — under the factor harsh treatment. The point here is that old and new kamma do not override other causal factors operating in the universe — such as those recognized by the physical sciences — but instead find their expression within those factors. A second point is that some of the influences of past kamma can be mitigated in the present — a disease caused by bile, for instance, can be cured by medicine that brings the bile back to normal. Similarly with the mind: Suffering caused by physical pain can be ended by understanding and abandoning the attachment that led to that suffering. In this way, the Buddha's teaching on kamma avoids determinism and opens the way for a path of practice focused on eliminating the causes of suffering in the here and now.

 


 

[1][pts][bodh][nypo] On one occasion the Blessed One was dwelling near Rajagaha in the Bamboo Grove Monastery, the Squirrel's Feeding Place.

There Moliyasivaka the wanderer went to the Blessed One and, on arrival, exchanged courteous greetings with him.
After an exchange of friendly greetings and courtesies, he sat to one side.
As he was sitting there, he said to the Blessed One,

"Master Gotama, there are some priests and contemplatives
who are of this doctrine, this view:
Whatever an individual feels
— pleasure, pain, neither-pleasure-nor-pain —
is entirely caused by what was done before.
Now what does Master Gotama say to that?"

[The Buddha:]

"There are cases where some feelings arise based on bile.[1]
You yourself should know how some feelings arise based on bile.
Even the world is agreed on how some feelings arise based on bile.
So any priests and contemplatives who are of the doctrine and view
that whatever an individual feels
— pleasure, pain, neither-pleasure-nor-pain —
is entirely caused by what was done before —
slip past what they themselves know,
slip past what is agreed on by the world.
Therefore I say that those priests and contemplatives are wrong."

"There are cases where some feelings arise based on phlegm...
based on internal winds...
based on a combination of bodily humors...
from the change of the seasons...
from uneven[2] care of the body...
from harsh treatment...
from the result of kamma.

You yourself should know how some feelings arise from the result of kamma.
Even the world is agreed on how some feelings arise from the result of kamma.
So any priests and contemplatives
who are of the doctrine and view that
whatever an individual feels
— pleasure, pain, neither pleasure-nor-pain —
is entirely caused by what was done before —
slip past what they themselves know,
slip past what is agreed on by the world.
Therefore I say that those priests and contemplatives are wrong."

When this was said, Moliyasivaka the wanderer said to the Blessed One:

"Magnificent, lord! Magnificent! Just as if he were to place upright what was overturned, to reveal what was hidden, to point out the way to one who was lost, or to carry a lamp into the dark so that those with eyes could see forms, in the same way has the Blessed One — through many lines of reasoning — made the Dhamma clear. I go to the Blessed One for refuge, to the Dhamma, and to the community of monks. May the Blessed One remember me as a lay follower who has gone for refuge from this day forward, for life."

Bile, phlegm, wind, a combination,
Season, uneven, harsh treatment,
and through the result of kamma as the eighth.[3]

 


[1]I.e., diseases and pains that come from a malfunction of the gall bladder.

[2]"Out-of-tune."

[3]This concluding verse seems to have been added by the compilers of the Canon as a mnemonic device.

 


 

References:

See also:
MN 101;
"Kamma and the Ending of Kamma" in The Wings to Awakening.

 


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