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#### Saṁyutta Nikāya
4. Saḷāyatana Vagga
35. Saḷāyatana Saṁyutta
§ IV: Paññāsaka Catuttha
3. Samudda Vagga

#### Sutta 193

#### Udāyī Suttaṁ

# Udayin

Translated from the Pāḷi
by
Michael M. Olds

[1][pts][bodh][than] I Hear Tell:[1]

Once upon a time,
The Elder Ānanda and
The Elder Udāyin
were revisiting Kosambī
in Ghosita Park.

[2][pts][bodh][than] At this time The Elder Udāyin,
emerging from solitary meditation towards evening,
went to visit Ānanda.

[3][pts][bodh][than] Having approached Ānanda,
he sat down to one side
having sat down to one side,
he asked him:

"In many diverse ways, friend Ānanda,
The Bhagava has defined,
explained,
and expounded upon body, saying:

'Thus body is not-self.'

Is it possible also to define,
explain
and expound upon consciousness
such as to make it simple,
clear
and open to examination, saying:

'Thus consciousness is not-self.'"

"In many diverse ways, friend Udāyī,
The Bhagava has defined,
explained,
and expounded upon body, saying:

'Thus body is not-self.'

It is possible also to define,
explain
and expound upon consciousness
as being not-self
such as to make it simple,
clear
and open to examination, saying:

'Thus consciousness is not-self.'

[4][pts][bodh][than] The eye, friend,
percussing a visible object,
has eye-consciousness as upshot,
no?"[5]

"Yes, friend."

"If this basis for the appearance of eye-consciousness were to end,
were to become completely extinct in every way;
would one be able to point out eye-consciousness?"

"No, friend."

"This is the way, friend,
the Bhagava has defined,
explained
and expounded upon consciousness
as being not-self
such as to make it simple,
clear
and open to examination, saying:

'Thus consciousness is not-self.'

■

[5][pts][bodh][than] The ear, friend,
percussing a sound,
has ear-consciousness as upshot,
no?"

"Yes, friend."

"If this basis for the appearance of ear-consciousness were to end,
were to become completely extinct in every way;
would one be able to point out ear-consciousness?"

"No, friend."

"This is the way, friend,
the Bhagava has defined,
explained
and expounded upon consciousness
as being not-self
such as to make it simple,
clear
and open to examination, saying:

'Thus consciousness is not-self.'

■

[6][pts][bodh][than] The nose, friend,
percussing a scent,
has nose-consciousness as upshot,
no?"

"Yes, friend."

"If this basis for the appearance of nose-consciousness were to end,
were to become completely extinct in every way;
would one be able to point out nose-consciousness?"

"No, friend."

"This is the way, friend,
the Bhagava has defined,
explained
and expounded upon consciousness
as being not-self
such as to make it simple,
clear
and open to examination, saying:

'Thus consciousness is not-self.'

■

[7][pts][bodh][than] The tongue, friend,
percussing a savour,
has tongue-consciousness as upshot,
no?"

"Yes, friend."

"If this basis for the appearance of tongue-consciousness were to end,
were to become completely extinct in every way;
would one be able to point out tongue-consciousness?

No, friend.

This is the way, friend,
the Bhagava has defined,
explained
and expounded upon consciousness
as being not-self
such as to make it simple,
clear
and open to examination, saying:

'Thus consciousness is not-self.'

■

[8][pts][bodh][than] The body, friend,
percussing a tangible object,
has body-consciousness as upshot,
no?"

"Yes, friend."

"If this basis for the appearance of body-consciousness were to end,
were to become completely extinct in every way;
would one be able to point out body-consciousness?"

"No, friend."

"This is the way, friend,
the Bhagava has defined,
explained
and expounded upon consciousness
as being not-self
such as to make it simple,
clear
and open to examination, saying:

'Thus consciousness is not-self.'

■

[9][pts][bodh][than] The mind, friend,
percussing things,
has mind-consciousness as upshot,
no?"[2]

"Yes, friend."

"If this basis for the appearance of mind-consciousness were to end,
were to become completely extinct in every way;
would one be able to point out mind-consciousness?"

"No, friend."

"This is the way, friend,
the Bhagava has defined,
explained
and expounded upon consciousness
as being not-self
such as to make it simple,
clear
and open to examination, saying:

'Thus consciousness is not-self.'

■

[10][pts][bodh][than] In the same way as a woodsman, friend,
in need of heart-wood,
should take his sharp axe
and setting out to find heart-wood,
meandering around looking for heart-wood,
should come upon a great plantain trunk[3]
young, growing straight and tall,
of a great height,
and he cuts it down at the root,
cuts it off at the crown
and peels off the outer bark:
not only would he find no heart-wood,
he would find no center-wood at all![4]

[11][pts][bodh][than] In the same way, friend,
a beggar can find no self,
or thing belonging to self,
in the realm of the senses.

This is the way, friend,
the Bhagava has defined,
explained
and expounded upon consciousness
as being not-self
such as to make it simple,
clear
and open to examination, saying:

'Thus consciousness is not-self.'"

[1] Not in the Pāḷi.

[2] Manañ cā paṭicca dhamme ca. We need to be hearing this as "brain" and mental objects in the same way as when the eye is referenced we think of our own eye and external sights. From there we see that the trick of this sutta is that the previous five consciousnesses become the sense-objects (phenomena) that together with 'brain' are the cause of 'mental consciousness' or the consciousness with which we are ordinarily associating the self. So the hearer has to this point clearly seen how the other senses depend on a sense organ and sense object and so is forced to accept the notion that the mind operates in exactly the same way and is just as impersonal.

[3] Khandha.

[4] In the west, where the plantain tree is not well-known, we might be given a better mental image if we think of the onion.

[5] Cakkhuñc'āvuso paṭicca rūpe ca uppajjati cakkhuviññāṇanti. Eye-stuff, friend, percussing form-stuff: upbirth? eye-consciousness, say?

References:

[SN 4.35.193] Saṁyutta Nikaya IV: Saḷayatana Saṁyutta: Samudda-Vaggo 3rd: PTS: page 166

PTS: Book of the Kindred Sayings IV: The Salayatana Book, Udayin, Woodward, trans, pp. 102

WP: The Connected Discourses of the Buddha, 234: Udayi, Bhk. Bodhi, trans., II.1232

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