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#### Saṁyutta Nikāya
II. Nidāna Vagga
12. Nidāna Saṁyutta
3. Dasa-Balā Vagga

#### Sutta 26

#### Upavāṇa Suttaṁ

# Upavāṇa

Translated from the Pāḷi
by
Michael M. Olds

[1][pts][bodh] I HEAR TELL:

Once upon a time in Sāvatthi-town:

There then Old Man Upavāṇa
went to where The Lucky Man was located,
and approached.

Having approached The Lucky Man,
he gave courteous salutation.

Having exchanged courteous greetings,
he took a seat to one side.

Seated to one side, then
Old Man Upavāṇa said this to The Lucky Man:

"There are, bhante,
some shamans and Brahmins,
speakers on kamma
who lay down the view
that pleasure and pain is
made by the self.

There are also, bhante,
some shamans and Brahmins,
speakers on kamma
who lay down the view
that pleasure and pain is
made by another.

There are also, bhante,
some shamans and Brahmins,
speakers on kamma
who lay down the view
that pleasure and pain is both
made by the self and
made by another.

There are also, bhante,
some shamans and Brahmins,
speakers on kamma
who lay down the view
that pleasure and pain is neither
made by the self nor
made by another but
is spontaneously self-arisen.

Here, bhante,
what does The Lucky Man say,
what does he teach?

How relating and
speaking accurately,
in such a way as to be blameless,
do we explain his
Dhamma within the Dhamma and
not falsely misrepresent
The Lucky Man
by contesting his Dhamma
with what is not-Dhamma?"

"Well then, Upavāṇa,
I have spoken of pleasure and pain as
reboundingly-self-arisen.

Off what rebounding?

Off touch rebounding.

In this way one would be
relating and
speaking accurately,
in such a way as to be blameless,
explaining my
Dhamma within the Dhamma and
not falsely misrepresenting me
by contesting my Dhamma
with what is not-Dhamma.

As to those shamans and Brahmins,
speakers on kamma
who lay down the view
that pleasure and pain is
made by the self,
that is actually a rebound off touch.

As to those shamans and Brahmins,
speakers on kamma
who lay down the view
that pleasure and pain is
made by another,
that is actually a rebound off touch.

As to those shamans and Brahmins,
speakers on kamma
who lay down the view
that pleasure and pain is both
made by the self and
made by another,
that is actually a rebound off touch.

As to those shamans and Brahmins,
speakers on kamma
who lay down the view
that pleasure and pain is neither
made by the self nor
made by another but
is spontaneously self-arisen,
that is actually a rebound off touch.

As to those shamans and Brahmins,
speakers on kamma
who lay down the view
that pleasure and pain is
made by the self,
that they could thus experience
another way than through touch —
such a thing is not to be seen.

As to those shamans and Brahmins,
speakers on kamma
who lay down the view
that pleasure and pain is
made by another,
that they could thus experience
another way than through touch —
such a thing is not to be seen.

As to those shamans and Brahmins,
speakers on kamma
who lay down the view
that pleasure and pain is both
made by the self and
made by another,
that they could thus experience
another way than through touch —
such a thing is not to be seen.

As to those shamans and Brahmins,
speakers on kamma
who lay down the view
that pleasure and pain is neither
made by the self nor
made by another but
is spontaneously self-arisen,
that they could thus experience
another way than through touch —
such a thing is not to be seen."

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